Will someone email that question to the Royal Commission for me? For some reason I can not seem to get signed on to my fake email account and my wife checks my primary account very often (for business reasons, she is not snooping) I don't want to risk the Royal Commission sending back a confirmation email and me not seeing it before she does. Please someone let me know if you can do that, if not I will set up another anonymous account.
Indian Larry
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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson
by Indian Larry inmr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.
as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.
i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?
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Will his holiness Jehovha Jackson appear before the ARC?
by punkofnice inyes or no.......what say you?.
i'll start - no!.
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Indian Larry
I think he will show. He will be very well coached, but so will Mr's Stewart and Mclellan. They will treat him with respect and not be argumentative, however they not let him weasel out of answering their questions. This should be very interesting. At least now I will be able to get my wife to watch. I may be able to get her to watch previous testimony so that she is aware ahead of time how Vincent "the tool" and O'Brian tried their best to keep him off the stand.
I do think, as others have mentioned, that they will agree with many of the suggested changes and say that these were already in the works so that the GB can take credit and it not seem like they are being "led" by the commission. The rank and file will very likely eat that up and the overall damage to the BORG will be minimal. I hate to say it but he could even come off in a positive light to those that don't know the TATT.
It there is anything we should have learned by know it it not to underestimate the ability of cognitive dissonence to allow people to see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe.
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A question the Chair (Mclellan) may want to ask G. Jackson
by Indian Larry inmr. jackson, we have heard testimony from mr spinks and mr. obrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation.
as i understand it mr. jackson, you interpret revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth.
i also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. can you explain why jesus christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation?
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Mr. Jackson, we have heard testimony from Mr Spinks and Mr. OBrien that women will never have leadership positions in the congregation. As I understand it Mr. Jackson, you interpret Revelation 7 to mean that only 144,000 will go to heaven and that these 144,000 will rule the earth. I also understand that your organization teaches that women are part of this "remnant" of 144,000. Can you explain why Jesus Christ is willing to put women in leadership over the entire earth but you are not willing to permit them to have anything to do with helping victims of pedophiles in your congregation? -
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Example of how "slick" Vincent Toole is.
by Indian Larry infrom day 5 testimony:.
stewart - with regard to confessional privilege which you mention in various places, but, for example, let's look at your paragraph 29. .
toole - paragraph 29?
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From day 5 testimony:
Stewart - With regard to confessional privilege which you mention in various places, but, for example, let's look at your paragraph 29.
Toole - Paragraph 29?Stewart - You'll see in 29(a) you're dealing with South Australia and you say: ... a number of nominated persons in various professions, including ministers of religion ... are required to report ... Then four lines down you say: ... provided that the suspicion is formed in the course of the person's work or in carrying out their official duties with the exception of disclosures made in the confessional. Am I to understand there that, leaving aside the specific wording of the law in question, in South Australia the position is that there is an exception for disclosures made in a confessional setting; is that right?
Toole - Yes.
Stewart - Then in 29(b), in relation to Victoria, equally in the sixth line you say: This obligation does not apply if the belief was obtained in a religious confession.
Toole - That's correct.
Stewart - I think I took you to the paragraph earlier in another document that referred to minister/communicant privilege. It is really that that I'm addressing in the Jehovah's Witness context. You, as I understand it, advise elders on their obligations under these provisions?
Toole - Yes.
Stewart - So you would be involved in advising when this confessional exception is available to them or not?
Toole - For the last 15 years, even if it was a confession, if the authorities approached the elders seeking information, they have completely cooperated. So there's been no claim for confessional privilege at all during that period.
Comments: Notice how slick Vincent Toole is here. If you listen to the actual testimony he certainly makes it sound like the Watchtower has not made any claim for confessional privilege over the past 15 years. Of course that is not true as can be verified in another pedophile case being tried right now in Delaware. Link:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/authorities-congregation-elders-didnt-report-child-abuse/2015/08/05/5456821a-3b91-11e5-b34f-4e0a1e3a3bf9_story.html
Here we find another Watchtower attorney arguing FOR confessional privilege in a US court at almost the same time V. Toole is arguing that they have not used it for 15 years. At first glance it seems like he is caught in perjury. Where he was slick was by qualifying his statement with “if the authorities approached the elders seeking information”So in the Delaware case you have a 35 yr old sister who what having sex with a 14 yr old boy. The elders did not tell the police and are claiming confidentiality of a church confessional. But IF the police come to them with questions they will answer them. Of course the police may never find out since they apply privilege in the first place.
If anyone has a direct connection to Angus Stewart he may want to see the article from the Washington Post. After all it is a live case in the news right now and does seem to at least throw Mr Tooles testimony into a different light.
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We can now estimate the absolute minimum number of child abuse cases
by Viviane invincent tool said that he is exclusively working the phones for child abuse cases, but never said he is not the only one.
for now, let's assume the rate of abuse cases averages over time to the three or four cases he gets per month.
let's further assume that, since he isn't the only person working the phones and is on vacation at some point, the number is 4-5 per month, or 4.5 per month.
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Question: The stats in the spreadsheet ONLY show abuse that was not reported to the Police. As I understand it they did report (ONLY) when mandatory in apparently two states in Australia. Since the data is missing for those two states would that not throw off the figures?
In other words there are more actual cases than what is shown in the spreadsheet so the numbers would be higher. Do I understand this correctly or are these the only cases period? If these are the only cases then what about the two states that require mandatory notification in these cases? -
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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Any suggestions on the best day(s) to watch?
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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Mad Sweeny - Thanks for the info! I have not been on this site much lately and this is all news to me.
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Royal Commission live streamingstarting soon!
by possum inaugust.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
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Please tell me someone is recording this and will post on YouTube? Preferably unedited without any additional comment so I can show it to me family that is still "in". Either that or post an unedited version with no comments and another version with comments.
If there is any remarks beyond what the court has to say they won't watch it, but if it is just this case they will. Just sayin' -
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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!
by Anonymous1 insorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.
i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.
he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.
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I just started watching. Can someone download this once it is complete and post it on YouTube so I can show my wife? -
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Looking for examples of Witnesses physically harmed during field service
by Indian Larry ini am looking for any examples, preferably with independent news sources of any witnesses that have ever been:.
mugged.
raped.
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I am looking for any examples, preferably with independent news sources of any witnesses that have ever been:
- Mugged
- Raped
- Robbed
- Shot at
or otherwise harmed while in field service. I live in an town that has a high crime rate and I have a beautiful young daughter who auxiliary pioneers. I can not stop her without risking my marriage, all my family, friendships and everything else. I do insist she works with at least 4 people in the car group. Two to each door and two to watch. She is also not allowed to ever go inside a householders home. If she does she will be in deep s**t. I can track where she is by her phone and I do check from time to time. Also she is not far from 18 where I would not be able to stop her either way.
I have not attended the hall for years. I have had a successful fade where I am still friends with everyone but they just don't expect me to go to the hall. I still will go to parties, to peoples homes for dinner etc but I just steer clear of scriptural topics. If they get into it I just walk away. Really it has not been too much of a problem at all. Everyone knows how I feel but they don't push it.
The thing is that I would like to be able to show her links to actual news stories of witnesses who have been harmed in field service to give her pause.
On the positive side she will definitely be attending college so I am hopeful that they will teach her critical thinking skills. Even then what she decides to do is up to her. If she want to stay "in" for social reasons I can't stop it. I just want to encourage her to get her "time" in by writing letters while sipping a latte at Starbucks (she does this sometimes) rather than go from door to door.
Please if you have any examples a link to the news story would be best. If you can't find a link please let me know the town, and year and persons name so I can look for it. I can not share info from this site without solid backup. I did that several years ago and it nearly cost me my marriage.